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What makes Philadelphians tick. [Sep. 13th, 2005|03:43 pm]
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For some reason, seeing these two entries back to back amused me.
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[User Picture]From: instantdharma
2005-09-13 08:35 pm (UTC)
Yeah and people in the office were just miserable. Wtf. It's just fat guys smacking each other and dancing in the endzones.
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From: catch2002
2005-09-13 10:43 pm (UTC)
no offense, but you couldnt be more wrong....its about having pride in your city...its about sharing a dream with your common man and woman...no matter white/black/asian/indian/other ; rich/poor; conservative/liberal, everyone in philadelphia puts aside all the other bullshit int he world and unites in happiness when the eagles win and depression when they lose. Every year of your life, no matter how great your life is or how much in the crapper you are, you can look forward to something .

Some of my best memories are watching Eagles games with my Grandfather , and anyone who says those memories are meaningless can fucking blow me.
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[User Picture]From: instantdharma
2005-09-13 11:41 pm (UTC)
No offense, but I was noting how I don't understand why people get so worked up. Hey, it's your thing. Not mine. That doesn't mean you have to be condescending.

I share different common goals than you do, thanks.
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From: catch2002
2005-09-14 08:03 pm (UTC)
understanding is not a prerequiste for empathy. Not understanding something doesn't mean you have to minimize it. I am so tired of people taking something they don't like or don't understand and then taking an absolutist view of it in order to minimize it's relevance to others.

The problem with your statement is that you did not just state that you "don't understand why people get so worked up". You reduced the event down to your world view of it. In your world view, "It's just fat guys smacking each other and dancing in the endzones." However, your world view, nor mine, does not represent actual truth.

Basically your argument is "I don't understand why people get so worked up over X. My opinion of X, is that it is a silly endeavor not worth getting worked up over. Since my opinion of X must be the ONLY CORRECT INTERPRETATION of X, it is stupid and silly for anyone else to view X in a different light"

can you see how closed minded this is?

if instead you said, "I really don't care if they win or lose, but I feel bad for those that do care" that would be an appropiate respond. Then, you would be saying "Well I don't view X in the light that others do. However, having empathy for my common man I can accept the fact that some others see X in a totally different light. Therefore, I will feel bad for them because X meant so much in their eyes"

there is a HUGE different between those two takes on this issue and the world as a whole.
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From: catch2002
2005-09-14 08:18 pm (UTC)
and to be intellectual fair, there is someone on the local sports radio who said a few times "I don't understand how people don't care about sports." He is making the same closed world view mistake and I would argue as vociferously with him about it as I would with you who holds the the other side of the coin view.

I accept differing viewpoints; what I don't accept is writing an entry that was to the affect of "haha your stupid football team lost". I read such an entry of yours yesterday because I was curious to read your background before I commented to the response you left here. Taking glee in others pain is about as annoying as it gets and having had the experience of being around some drunk, obnoxious eagles fans does not excuse it (I assume that is the case judging by the entry of yours I read yesterday).
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[User Picture]From: duckssaymip
2005-09-14 08:48 pm (UTC)
Woah, dude, hold on. It's football. I love it just like you do, so I can see where you're coming from. It's about the city getting together, and, as you said, there's a big family connection that goes along with it. But it's football. Don't get too wrapped up in how people feel about it. If they hate it, they hate it. They're missing out. There's a bajillion better things to blow some steam on than people hating on the Eagles and their fans.
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[User Picture]From: instantdharma
2005-09-14 08:55 pm (UTC)
I wrote a longer response, but I got a server error message and it deleted itself.

Why are you so defensive? I'm a hockey fan, I'm a theatre fan, I'm a House, MD fan - I'm a fan of a great many things. However, if someone didn't like it, and was outwardly sarcastic about disliking it, I wouldn't get all pissy. I'd be like: Meh. Whatever.

Why is there a need to explain yourself?

I'm not being closed minded. It's not like I've never went to a football game - I've been to many. I see it as guys dancing in end zones. Okay. So what?! No one cares. I don't feel a connection with the guys on the field.

Shit, I've played sports. I love baseball; I played softball for years, but many hate it. I don't get steamed when people don't like it.

And just because I was being a sarcastic ass to my friends on my LiveJournal, doesn't mean you have to wall up the defense.
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